Does this upgrade have 3 sensors or only 2? The existing retrofit silent systems in uprights sometimes shoot loud notes when you repeat a key because the hammer is still in the air and there is no weight on the key when you repeat it which results in a high velocity.
[deleted] Does this upgrade have 3 sensors or only 2? The existing retrofit silent systems in uprights sometimes shoot loud notes when you repeat a key because the hammer is still in the air and there is no weight on the key when you repeat it which results in a high velocity.
This new sensor (and the previous one) should be continuous-detecting, so somewhat equivalent to infinite number of sensors. The problem you describe (which the NU1 has also) is inherent in how the upright actions work and can be eliminated completely only with hammer (or shank) sensors -- everything else is mitigation factor which will never completely eliminate it.
JayKominek Based on the picture and the requirements, you put some sort of little inductive loop on the under side of the key stick, and then design the most inductive thing you can out of PCB traces, that hopefully directs the magnetic field straight up
Okay, so just magnetic field like @aleath is doing or perhaps @xooorx ? I thought it was more sophisticated đ
I installed the new retrofit silent unit yesterday.
The keyboard electromagnetic induction sensor is shown in the phot
Layman here, but are those âmagnetsâ stapled onto the keys?
For some reason, this ânew & improvedâ system looks more like Yamaha cutting costs, but please correct me if Iâm wrong!
So far, the only âimprovementâ Yamaha has claimed: âless prone to needing maintenance as compared to the outgoing optical sensors,â but I know of optical-sensor GranTouch from 1998 that are still out there working perfectly, so it seems to me like the optical sensors are quite solid and built to last (decades).
Pete14 Layman here, but are those âmagnetsâ stapled onto the keys?
They are indeed stapled. It's like the operation staples, or like putting horse shoe nails!
Hopefully highest quality rust proof 'fasteners'.
SouthPark They are indeed stapled.
In 2024, that doesnât look very sophisticated to me.
Pete14 In 2024, that doesnât look very sophisticated to me.
Fully agree. It's only one-short of duct taping heheheheh
SouthPark Fully agree. It's only one-short of duct taping heheheheh
Yes, and it makes me wonder if this switch (from optical to magnetic) was done in the name of cutting costs (I could be wrong).
Thereâs a CLP from the late nineties (I forgot the model #), and it used what I considered Yamahaâs best âdigitalâ action. The action used solid, wooden sticks for both white & black keys that pivoted at the center (no folding), but come the ânext-generationâ Clavinova, and Yamaha ditched the more-complex action for a folded action, and never looked back.
Donât get me wrong, the folded action is good, but I wonder, what if theyâd stuck to that more-robust action?
Thereâs no question in my mind that this action âswitchâ (long-stick to folded) was done for cost savingsâŠ..
Pete14 It appears to be cost cutting. Or combined with exercise in ⊠if we go down this path, then what could evolve from it in the design and engineering and materials etc area. Making us the guinea pigs!! Or maybe not all of us, such as you and me haha ⊠as patience, and looking at enough reviews, and listening/testing etc. gets us over the line every time.
For the next P series âŠ.. and if there are no issues reported from guinea pigs ⊠eg. NU1XA users, then we may well get to tinker with the P-535 T (tank) range of piano, with the mag field detector devices. But no stapler please. Otherwise, it's baseball bat time in the yammy office.
With the magnetic field system, if dust or light emitter aging etc is an issue for selected cases with the optical systems, then mag can offer some benefits over the optical one. Although, at this stage, just have to wait to see if the mag system holds up well to aging, calibration etc. Or even staples coming loose etc.
Love the requisite and all-important dog/cat hair in the pic as well.
Thatâs the thing, the optical sensors have been proven highly reliable and low-maintenance; especially when compared to the ârubber-based,â contact-sensors used in the likes of Clavinova, slabs, etcâŠ
Contact sensors are infamous for gathering dust; which lead to erratic behaviors, like âloud notes,â etcâŠ.sometimes as soon as a year or two into use (especially if you have a slab and donât cover it up when not in use).
I rarely hear this to be the case with optical sensors, and perhaps that has to do with dust settling on the âkey-bed,â not on the optical sensors (I assume), but certainly, optical sensors have proven reliable, durable, and low-maintenance, and the best proof is the GranTouch; still kicking ass after several decadesâŠâŠ
The jury is out on the new magnetic sensors, but so far no one has shown us the âtrueâ advantages over the optical, and the cynic in me + staples canât help but think that these might not prove to be better in the long run (or perhaps even in the short run), but yes, I hope to be proven wrong.
Years ago Dave Horne (on PW) reported problems with dirt/dust/debris on the optical sensors of his N-model.
Exposed optics are always prone to such problems.
This is the first time Iâve heard of any issues with âdirt/dust/debrisâ affecting the âopticalâ sensors, and I wonder if Mr. Horne ever vacuumed his house!
Of course, dust can eventually get into anything; however, as far as Yamahaâs optical sensors go, it seems like the dust settles on the âkey-bed,â but not on the optical sensors per se; that is, unless, you live in Mr. Horneâs un-vacuumed, filthy, moldy, dirty, filled-with-spiders-and-webs home!
Pete14 Contact sensors are infamous for gathering dust; which lead to erratic behaviors, like âloud notes,â etcâŠ.sometimes as soon as a year or two into use (especially if you have a slab and donât cover it up when not in use).
I always keep her cozy when not fired up.
The KSP board is attached to the keyboard with double-sided tape
After that, it is fixed with a staple gun.
Calibration of the keyboard is the same method as SC3, but
Setting items differ depending on the size of the piano
Silent mechanism is the same as before.
Queue99 The KSP board is attached to the keyboard with double-sided tape
Double-sided tape & staples?
What is this, a Somalian DIY?
Iâm sorry, but it all smells of heavy cost savings, so Iâm sticking with the old optical!
Hi @Queue99,
Excuse me but the real and only question for me is : how did you manage to acquire and install this new Yamaha silent system ? đ€·đ»ââïž
I thought it was exclusive to brand new Yamaha SH3 Silent pianos ?!
Yamaha has been selling retrofit Silent Units in Japan for over 25 years. Last year they launched the latest RSC3 retrofit Silent Unit.
ăThey also launched the VSH3 unit to replace the existing GP/UP Silent Unit with the SH3
Okay, thank you.
I didnât know that was possible. So I guess itâs only available in Japan and maybe only for professionals ?
Otherwise, do you have any link where it would be possible to buy this ? Thank you very much again !
I could send you a unit if you want, but it may be difficult to install without a hybrid piano technician.
Please contact me at PM for more details, but I don't know how to send and receive PM here.
