A brand new Steinway from VSL: 1887 model D concert grand

100 layers per key?

clavierhaus

Hello,

Congratulations on your exciting project, which you've been working on/contributing to for quite some time now.

Bringing a virtual instrument to market nowadays means immediate worldwide exposure -- bringing you all sorts of reactions and inevitably making you vulnerable to reactions that don't match your hopes and dreams with this new VST instrument.

You cannot forcefully make people change their views -- they have theirs and you have yours.

Go for having a much easier time by enjoying the responses that resonate with your own goals and experiences -- and just let others be.

If you see misunderstandings or lacking information, you can provide the facts you have honestly and truthfully. That is really all you can do.

Going to war with others will burn you out and certainly will not sell your dear product that you've invested your time, energy, and creativity in.

Cheers!

HZ

Pete14 These are just the possible gradations of the robot.

Jane

That is a truly excellent post, Jane!

Thank you for your wisdom.

HZ

HZPiano If you see misunderstandings or lacking information, you can provide the facts you have honestly and truthfully. That is really all you can do.

And that's all I do and additionally provide as many additional pieces of information as I can.

johanibraaten

What a beauty!!

♥️

HZ

clavierhaus Woaw, that looks very much like the exact same instrument. Thanks a lot for the clarification regarding the iron plate and the comparison to your Steinway, very interesting. Regarding the piano you linked to on PW I have to say it's a pity they've rebuilt it, It's hard to beat the classy look of the original.

HZPiano Yes, it's truly a piece of art.

I tried this piano for a short time and my first impressions are divided. On the one hand, the piano exudes the beauty of a time and the sound is generally authentically evoked. There is no doubt that certain classical works will absolutely shine with this piano. On the other hand, the standard version of this piano is difficult to use. The blurred and too deep sound of Condenser microphones in different combinations is far from desirable. Heavy use of EQ doesn't fix too many things. The full version with Sphere, tube microphone in the surround version opens this piano and gives the required sound and all the demos sound fantastic, but under the fingers this piano does not give the desired result in software responsiveness, evenness of tone and resonance. Too much for more than 300 euros with discount and partial use. I wish it was just a first impression.

clavierhaus As to the digital side of it, please move to PW where product manager Paul Kopf is available to answer questions in this regard.

Can we invite him here too? Or is he already a member?

CyberGene If he's here, I'll send him a PM… He has a great voice, I do have to say. 🙂

clavierhaus Many thanks for all your hard work in preparing the piano. Also, people here are passionate so don't take personally any comments. Piano Vi's become like beloved children.

I've tried th piano and the sampling was pristine and the piano well balanced which reflects greatly on you and your team's expertise.

I think it made sense to record it in the smaller room in this instance as it really fits the pianos overall vibe.

guys please share some audio samples and presets, i'm personally excited to hear different pieces with different settings

Pete14

ben (from vsl) once said the stage a pianos have up tp 80-90 layers per key and stage b ones have less, so it's probably 60 or above which is fine imo

If you play a note with the sustain pedal up, and then press the pedal (while still holding the note), does it switch to the pedal down samples? Does it work the other way round? The previous Synchron pianos can't do this, but the old Vienna Imperial can (using the 2SUS button). With the Synchron pianos you can have an unrealistic mix of up and down samples on different notes at the same time.

Johnstaf No, both still don't work. That's another reason why I'm not considering buying it. But maybe there will be an update at some point.

pc-king Secondly, I'd be interested to know whether the problem with the notes being too loud still persists when the sustain pedal is pressed: A note with, for example, vel. 30 inside the sustain pedal is much louder on synchron steinway than a note with a vel. 30 outside the pedal. For example, in a MIDI file of Chopin's first ballad, you get a massive accent on the second accompanying chord in bars 9 to 21.

At least they did it right this time.

BTW, the reason why notes with the damper pedal are louder might be because they used the robotized hand to play notes. However, with the damper pedal pressed, the keys become lighter and are easier to accelerate faster with the same force. That’s why I have been criticizing the damper weights in the Novus instruments, they add realism but it’s an artifact on real pianos that is not useful and doesn’t need replication.

CyberGene Yes, I've written that several times. For years.

CyberGene BTW, the reason why notes with the damper pedal are louder might be because they used the robotized hand to play notes

that was a problem with early synchron pianos such as their cfx, concert d and of course (the final boss) bosendorfer imperial, in fact their imperial was so bad in that regard i had to avoid buying it despite the fact that i liked how it sounds, but it's not present in their newer stuff, the 280vc didn't have that problem at all, and after that, the f308 and f212, i haven't checked the d 1887 yet but i'm sure that's not the case with it.

CyberGene but it’s an artifact on real pianos that is not useful and doesn’t need replication.

that's a problem i have with certain people's mindset as if we need every single aspect of a real instrument no matter how useless or even annoying it is, i mean digital/digitized instruments are a thing of their own, they don't need to be an exact copy of the actual thing, especially when it comes to useless artifacts.