In my view this (vegans versus vegetarians) actually points towards the self-destruction of the "Woke" movement; in time they will destroy their own unity by accusing one another of non-compliance with whatever special rule they themselves adhere to. As has been observed for a long time, the revolution eats its own. 😄
CyberGene the stupidest thing to do when you want to change someone is to point fingers at him and act offended.
And is this not also a usual trait in persons that like to call themselves non-woke? What is pianoclack other than a legitimate act of people that feel they (or others) were offended by the mods? Is this forum not a manifestation of thin-skin? I truly think it can be understood as that, and I don't really care if someone calls me thin-skin for having jumped ship…
The problem with sociological labeling is that it conveniently creates a group identity that muddies the waters and creates trenches in a civilized discussion. There are tolerant and intollerant people in both sides of the aisle. Over simplification only serves to create division…
We would have been woke if we tried to confront them. We didn't, instead we created an alternative forum, in a peaceful way.
But yes, I do agree that there are intolerant people on both fronts, woke and non-woke. We're all people.
Yet, there has never been such a drastic social and political polarization as nowadays. I blame the woke, but of course I may be wrong 🙂 We can discuss that here. Not on PW though 😀
Before "woke" there was "politically correct", and there have probably always (and at least for a long time) been groups of people who wanted to make others feel guilty about this, that, or the other. Formal religions have been doing this for a seriously long time. Come to think about it, maybe this is how religions get twisted away from pure faith, and into a political organisation.
Well, I found a common trait… Everyone blames a "group" other than themselves. Non-woke blame the woken, woken blame the non-woke, non-religion persons blame religion (well, at least this one is many centuries old), autocrats blame democrats, and casio-lovers blame the steinway-huggers… I simply like to blame myself for what I can control and leave the others alone…
The only alternative to blaming others is to blame oneself (if blame is at all to be cast).
Anyway, blaming Steinway is always ok. 😆
QuasiUnaFantasia people who wanted to make others feel guilty about this, that, or the other
That has been universal method of collecting offerings since the times of the Pharaohs: First make people feel guilty about something they aren't at fault for, then cash in. Even YouTube creators like to make their audience feel guilty about watching their content, so that some nice Patreon money starts flowing. But they didn't invent the guilt economy, that goes back thousands of years. 🤣
There was a time when a "group" of people knew one another and spent time together.
Today a "group" is just a bunch of people who feel comfortable with the title associated with the group.
But underneath the title everyone has his own opinion of what the group stands for. That definition is often ill-defined and vague ... and therefore meaningless. That's why there's been some fuss here over what exactly is "woke".
We have "woke" folk, "Karens" ... can you think of more? Umbrella terms that mean different things to different people.
I think that cliche-laden terminology serves as a poor substitute for thoughtful prose. Is literate society becoming illiterate? 🙁
Anyway ... it wasn't this way long ago. But mass media makes it possible. And especially the two-way mass medium: the interweb.
Today everyone has a mouth with global reach. But "think before you speak" get tossed aside much too often.
So you woke yourself! Cool! :-)
You should all have a look at what acdp wrote on PW in the "ban thread":
[http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/3162055/re-heads-up-about-banned-members.html#Post3162055]
Agreed!
Perhaps you or others can explain a little to me since there are aspects to people today latching onto mainstream-media-manufactured lingo that further undermines the compromised counter culture ......“woke”. For starters, it comes off as poor grammar which i realize is popular especially with youngsters ( anyone under the age of 40 👴) , but there long has been a fine, suitable word - awake- that raises the question - what does woke bring to the table for those already awake .... or is this new catchphrase du jour mainly intended to signal belated rousing from slumbers?
This seems to be the event of the year at PW. Well, a scandal always sells well.... QuasiUnaFantasia, you're going to be famous😉 A real drama, with a lost hero, a hero who sets off on new adventures and a little hero (me) who is glad that the test of the troops didn't pull the wool over his eyes.
Drew-r I think those who self-annoint as "woke" are just using the word's implication of "formerly asleep" to serve the three fold purpose of:
proclaiming one's self to have arisen to a higher level of functioning that all others (those not yet awakened) have yet to attain, thereby massaging the speakers ego;
disguising the speaker's ego masturbation as merely a natural occurring event (waking up) as opposed to the narcissistic, contrived, theatrical self worship that it actually is;
stripping those so condemned as lesser beings (the unwoke) of any right to be angry over the woker's (should that be "wanker's) condescension by implicitly denying responsibility for the insult made in number 1 above, and by simultaneously showering the unwoke with feigned hope and optimism that one day the unwoke shall be blessed to also experience the supposedly completely fortuitous event of waking.
It is the ultimate expression of the unleashed narcissism of our age. It is the embryonic stage of the end of civilization. Every person is a genius and god unto himself. No others are recognized. No others are needed. Hence, civilization is unneeded.
There's lots of things that are hard to understand … like why are so many restaurants here running reduced seating and reduced hours for lack of staff, yet they cannot fill job openings despite offering $15 to $20 (where normal pay rates would be much less).
MacMacMac I think you know the answer to that. In many states unemployment insurance plus federal and state Covid relief pays better than working.
But I thought that the extra $600 per week ended the first week of September. Is that not so?
MacMacMac I thought it was extended.? You may be right about that. But from what
I’ve read (WSJ, FOX, etc.) it is still stated as a disincentive to taking a low paying job.
Maybe? But I don't keep up with the news.
OTOH … isn't it interesting that a thread about PW bans (for going off-topic) has gone off-topic … without the thread of any bans?
CyberGene I'm as "woke" as they come, but I don't think I ever reported anyone, except one time there was a rather disturbed rant against Chinese musicians. I don't think the mods took any action, even though it was pretty extreme stuff.
Johnstaf I'm as "woke" as they come, but I don't think I ever reported anyone, except one time
Well, generalizations are apparently wrong 😀 But I think as a general rule (yet another generalization) people who are Woke tend to “punish” people they consider “offenders” which is a knee-jerk response, rather than using more peaceful means or a reasonable discussion. If you confront them, they will justify that action by alleging that the peaceful way was attempted before and didn’t help (maybe with someone else). There are exceptions of course.