SouthPark
I might have to step in and teach brad something at --
Brad Mehldau Interview
CyberGene
vagfilm I can somehow relate to that but what’s funny is for quite some time he used to be my favorite pianist and I even used “Brad Mehldau” as a nickname on some forums 😀 But then suddenly, after a few years, I lost interest which might have coincided with my switch in preferences from jazz to classical. And I know what you mean by “artificially smart”.
But I recently had a weird experience of mentally recalling a favorite solo piano composition called Resignation from his album Elegiac Cycle (without actually having listened to it for years) and I went to bed with it playing in my head, it sounded in my dreams and I woke up with it… That happens to me from time to time and is luckily always with high quality music. Here it is, I own the score and started learning it after that experience but it’s very difficult:
SouthPark
I'm also trying what Brad is trying - as in trying to open that up. I know what he means though. It can take some thinking to break free. And not always easy to break free - because we're often controlled by what we hear. But always try - and have fun, like legos etc
brad-semi-imp-southpark-north-queensland-australia-p-515.flac
MHirsch
vagfilm artificially smart
Almost agree. Seen him live a couple of years ago, solo. It sounded like he was just practicing on stage.
On the other hand, I love the trio recordings and some of the collaborations with others.
vagfilm
After listening to "resignation" posted by @CyberGene, I thought that I should definitely revisit my Mehldau recordings. So I went back to my boxed set "Brad Mehldau 10 years live solo" and listened to a couple of tracks. The live recordings still drive me mad: his trademark are the pulsating notes on the left hand, and instead of being Jarrett-like hypnotic in which they are so consistent and predictable that they somehow disappear into a sonic fog, Melhdau's left hand is erratic in volume and in time with a lot of small hesitations. Those hesitations keep throwing me off balance and never create that hypnotic background. I don't mind (and appreciate) off-tempo in one of the voices, but not at the rhythm and melody at the same time: that is borderline sloppy (says the guy who cannot keep both hands working together 😀). So, to me, listening to Brad Mehldau (at least the live recordings) is more of a dizzying experience… maybe I should focus on the studio recordings.
SouthPark
I put take 3 in another part - at : Brad - Take 3
But might as well pop it here too - as it relates to brad.
brad-semi-imp-take3-southpark-north-queensland-australia-p-515.flac
SouthPark
After putting brad's youtube to wav converted 'resignation' through some sound laundry v2.5 denoiser and then converting to .flac
resignation-by-brad-mehldau.flac
brad is good. That sounds very nice. It is exactly from music like that where gems can be picked out - and used for refinement - distilling.
CyberGene
SouthPark that’s nice, however I’m not sure if it’s legally OK to extract the audio from a YouTube and put it online here, we might have troubles with copyright. I may have to remove it. If someone knows better how these things are, please let me know.
SouthPark
It's ok to remove it. One consideration these days is whether it makes much difference with online public content. If it is out there these days, and people can zip and password lock, email etc, then it's all out of control already. This usually includes vids as well.
Certainly ok to remove it now or later though - due to the law. These days, the main thing is just to not use it illegally for commercial profit making - such as advertising a product and using his music. But on the other hand - if brad relies on profiting through youtube, where his vids are exclusively on youtube, and youtube relies on making money from its own commercials that they shove on us, then that could be another reason.
Nobody knows why brad didn't denoise in the first place. Interesting. We could say that we did that audio a slight favour, and also fully respecting brad.
If it's a no 'but' situation, then I support removing. No problem with that. At least we momentarily enjoy hiss/noise free, which is nice!
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vagfilm Could be those live recordings or could be you simply don't enjoy his playing which is completely fine. I wouldn't spend too much time fretting over it or typing about it as life is short and there is playing to be done.
I prefer Mehldau's trio and quartet playing as comping and musical interplay is a big part of what I love about jazz. I also really enjoy a lot of Mehldau's own compositions which just may not be your thing. His Ballads and Blues album has remained a staple in my playlist as have many of his other trio recordings.
I really don't listen to much solo jazz piano but it's nice in small doses. A couple guys you might enjoy if you don't know them already are Fred Hirsch and Aaron Parks. Both have a very melodic and vibey style that I quite enjoy. You might not like them but thought I'd share:
vagfilm
[deleted] Thanks for both references. I was (vaguely) aware of them from group recordings (aaron parks in particular) but never listened to their solo production. On a quick YT search I found Hersch "songs from home" that looks very promising… and Mehldau "elegiac cycle" is making me reconsider him; there is less hesitancy in studio recordings… But to my ears, no one gets even close to Jarrett, and I never get tired of him.
vagfilm
BTW, may I share a couple of "out of the box" solo jazz(y) recordings? Portugal is a small country without a strong musical tradition. Apart from Carlos Seixas (Bach competitor) and the modernism of Emmanuel Nunes (Berio competitor), there are no significant composers. But we have a soulful fisherman-songs musical genre called Fado, traditionally played with local handmade guitars. There are a couple of interesting solo piano recordings of Fado songs. One is from a portuguese jazz player, Julio Resende. The second one is from Maria João Pires (yeah, that Chopin player), that recorded a set of Fado compositions.
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vagfilm very nice. I particularly enjoyed the Resende recording, thanks for sharing.
CyberGene
vagfilm that’s very interesting, thanks. Both examples are very deep and melancholic which is something I really like but comes as a bit of surprise to me. Because for some rather subjective reasons I thought I hated fado but let me explain 😀 For our honeymoon we went to Madeira with my wife in 2016 but we had a one night stay in Lisbon first. We were in a small tourist group with three other people, women. One of them was that typical overenthusiastic type of tourist and she told us about Fado and how we should definitely go to a bar where we can listen to it. I hadn’t heard about that genre before. And so, we went somewhere and what I witnessed was like a madhouse, there was a female singer who sang in a very ugly way, jarring and loud, with a voice resembling screaming and crying… I was shocked and rather disgusted and you probably know me already that I am a moaner and can be nasty when I don’t like something and I started complaining about how that’s the music I will listen to, when I start cutting my veins, etc 🤣 And that girl who brought us there was mad at me for the entire journey… Anyway, not sure whether what we witnessed was real Fado, maybe some weird variety but I thought all Fado was some farcical BS. Your videos seem to be nothing like that. Maybe I have to revisit my prejudice. Thanks for the links 👍🏻
vagfilm
There is a fine line between wonderful fado singing, and fado shouting. It is always a bit shout in a moorish kind of wailing… Apart from the classics (gold standard is Amalia Rodrigues), this is the best modern example; if you don't like it, fado is not for you 😀. Understanding the lyrics is also crucial…
CyberGene
vagfilm that’s pretty good too. OK. I guess we just happened to watch a rather bad fado in Lisbon.
vagfilm
As I said before, it is a fine line between artful wailing and awful shouting…Keep in mind that "fado" means fate, unavoidable destiny. So it is tragic almost hopeless singing. Thus, the wailing… At any given time there are at most 2-3 fado singers worth listening to. And ALL fado restaurants are tourist traps.
This is the original fado of the Julio Resende cover:
Pianissimo
Well, at least Mehldau is not overrated. On the other hand I'll never understand why Hancock is so overrated. Is it just because he's "modern" sometimes playing the synth? Meh.
CyberGene
Pianissimo On the other hand I'll never understand why Hancock is so overrated. Is it just because he's "modern" sometimes playing the synth?
He had unique harmonic and improvisational language even in his acoustic period before he started working with synths. But also, because he could be successful in almost any type of music, is another argument why he’s great. I’m biased apparently because Chick, Herbie and Lyle Mays are to me the GOAT in jazz but of course people can disagree 🙂
Pianissimo
CyberGene What are his best tunes, maybe I missed them. Every pianist made boring things and amazing things, including my favourites: Bach, Mozart, Chopin, Keith Jarrett.