Yet another epic Yamaha vs Roland battle

Pete14

David B Also, it was a couple hundred bucks cheaper than the FP90X and it felt solidly built.

This is not uncommon: equivalently designed/built/etc.. products to be a ‘couple hundred bucks cheaper’, if not more.

I call it the Roland way: overprice now, improve later…

But I digress, and this here thread should not turn into yet another battle, but before I leave, I ask, is it possible for at least one of you gentle souls to admit: “Rolands are overpriced”? that’s all I ask for.

David B

Pete14 That's not fair because the Numa X GT didn't come with speakers or a music stand. The music stand for the Numa X piano GT is 90 bucks.

Roland is on point. I don't admit to anything. 💪

God Bless,
David

Pete14

Okay, so it’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but still, where it really matters (the action) the comparison is valid!

I just need one admission, that’s all I need, and I ask again, who here is willing to step up?

Conspiracy-Theory Alert: it has been said that the reason for the price gouging @Roland stems from the fortune spent on the V-Piano….so much money they spent on that V, that the only way out of that hole was to make up for the losses by charging a premium for so-so products. (I did not set forth this theory, but I do wonder….)

David B

Pete14 where it really matters (the action) the comparison is valid!

If I remember correctly the action was heavier than the PHA50, (I weighed it) but for the day I had it I didn't feel it was fatiguing. I would need more time with it to do a proper comparison. It's not like when I tried the P515 and knew right away that Yamaha screwed that action up. 😀

God Bless,
David

QuasiUnaFantasia

David B It's not like when I tried the P515 and knew right away that Yamaha screwed that action up. 😀

It's not that they screwed it up, it's just that they failed to capitalize on the instruments inherent qualities by selling it as fitness equiment. The could have made a killing, selling to gyms all over the world, earning deserved praise for it.

Pete14

This is not what I wanted, yet another battle!

I politely asked for one admission that Rolands are indeed overpriced, that’s all!

Yet here we stand; amongst accusations that bear no foundation in truth: P-515 as fitness equipment.

Yes, the P-515 will keep you ‘in good shape,’ and I ask, is that not a good thing? But in no way is the P-515 meant for the gym, as clearly stated above!

David B

Pete14 This is not what I wanted, yet another battle!

You can't afford another battle after the humiliating defeat of the P525. You've become a paper tiger. Don't worry, the Roland coalition is merciful and will help you rebuild provided you show proper obeisance to your new masters.

God Bless,
David

Pete14

Granted, the battle of “Normandy” weakened me some, but thanks to an unflinching innermost sense for “setting things straight” for the betterment of humanity, I still have a few battles left in me!

And I ask, did George Washington not lose a battle here or there, yet in the end did he not also win the war?

Note: I have some battles left in me, but I did not want ‘yet another battle’ to be fought here, for this here thread is populated by innocent civilians, who could get caught in the crossfire (collateral damage), so I simply ask that we take the battle(s) elsewhere!

MacMacMac

This feud brings to mind the tune from the Rawhide TV series, performed by Frankie Laine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGyhSifqzA

Since we're lovin' on Roland these days ... I thought I'd adapt the song to show our appreciation ...

ORIGINAL WORDS	ROLAND VERSION
Rollin', rollin', rollin'	Roland, Roland, Roland
Rollin', rollin', rollin'	Roland, Roland, Roland
Rawhide!	Rawhide!
Hah! Hah!	Yamaha ha ha! Yamaha ha ha!

Keep rollin', rollin', rollin'	Keep Roland, Roland, Roland
Though the streams are swollen	Though Yamaha be moanin'
Keep them dogies rollin'	Keep them pianos Roland
Rawhide!	Rawhide!

Through rain and wind and weather	The roadies take forever
Hell bent for leather	Riggin' gear wherever
Wishin' my gal was by my side	Wantin' my Roland at my side

All the things I'm missin'	All the things I'm missin'
Good vittles, love, and kissin'	Good touch and sound and listenin'
Are waiting at the end of my ride	Are waiting at the end of my ride

Move 'em out, head 'em up	Bring 'em out, hook 'em up
Head 'em up, move 'em on	Hook 'em up, get 'em on
Move 'em out, head 'em up	Get 'em on, rig 'em up
Rawhide!	Rawhide!

Cut 'em out, ride 'em in	Turn it up, tune 'em in
Ride 'em in, cut 'em out	Tune 'em in, cut 'em up
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in	Cut 'em up, play it on
Rawhide!	Rawhide!

You're welcome, Pete! 😃

Pete14

For a minute I “liked” the tune, but then I saw the new lyrics, so screw you, I say!🤠

InstrEd

Pete14 For a minute I “liked” the tune, but then I saw the new lyrics, so screw you, I say!🤠

Now Pete how would those lyrics fit the song 😏

Pete14

Yamaha three-pedal board (FC-35) $99 @Kraft….

Roland three-pedal board (RPU-3) $159 @Kraft….

The Yamaha is not only way more elegant, but also a more-recent model.

Roland’s is not only ugly, basic, and ordinary, but also a super-old model.

Need I say more?

P.S.

I’m certain that InstrEd and HZPiano want to come clean, “yes, Roland products are grossly overpriced,” but they fear for their lives……

Fear not, fellow soldiers, for I have your back(s), and I will not allow Roland come anywhere near thee, for I will blow up the whole of Roland before I let any harm come to ye!

InstrEd

Actually Pete14 I have played several Roland and Yamaha Digital Pianos at some "House of Worships" in the past.

At the moment I have an old Technic DP and a Casio PX5S at the moment. I will say I really enjoyed playing the Roland HP704. The Yamaha Digital Piano I think was a CLP645 which was also nice. There is something about the Roland though that just felt right to me. I do agree that it is priced to high. I was planning on buying a new DP last year but became ill and right now have medical bills. Hope to be able to make a purchase next year. So I like to hear what others think about the new digital pianos.

Peace and keep up the story telling 😆

Pete14

InstrEd I do agree that it is priced to high.

Thank you, I’ve been waiting all day for this admission!

P.S.

I hope you hit the lottery, and not only pay off your medical bills, but also get yourself a state-of-the-art NU1XA!🙂

Pete14

NU1XA $7,900 (and this is a state-of-the-art machine, with hyper-sensors & acoustic action).

LX-708 $7,200 (and this is a “discounted” piece of old-tech housed in a cardboard like, fake cabinet).

Need I say more? actually, I do!

P-515 $1,600 (and this is a marvel of tech).

FP-90X $2,000 (and it was actually selling for $2,200 until recently).

Of importance: whilst the P-525 didn’t check all the boxes for me (perhaps my expectations were unrealistic) it did for other people. Yes, Yamaha reused the same cabinet, but Roland just released a bunch of new models using the same action and same-old PureAcoustic-BS, and decided to simply call it “PianoReality” (code for “tech-rehashing”).
Which is worse, Yamaha reusing an old cabinet, or Roland rehashing old tech by simply renaming it? I’d say the latter!

So cocky, Roland!

QuasiUnaFantasia

LX-708 in Denmark (including bench): $3971 ...

EDIT (because Pete14 in the post immediately below indicated a need to know more):

NU1XA in Denmark (excluding bench): $6066.

Pete14

QuasiUnaFantasia LX-708 in Denmark (including bench): $3971 ...

Interesting, how you listed selling price for LX-708, yet conveniently omitted the NU1XA; bias, some?

Now, I will admit that it’s not fair to compare a groundbreaking instrument to the faux-simile called the LX-708.
And no, I’m not biased, but please, let’s call things for what they are: NU1XA is an instrument; LX-708 wants to be one, yet despite huge subwoofers, it just doesn’t rise to the occasion!

Save your hard-earned money for a real instrument (NU1XA); however, if all you can afford is a close simile, I’d highly recommend the P-515 for a meager $1,400, and yes, if you don’t mind the old cabinet, and prefer a “lighter” action, a P-525 for $1,600.

Correction: I previously listed the P-515 for $1,600, but the price has now dropped to $1,400; what a bargain!

QuasiUnaFantasia

Pete14 Interesting, how you listed selling price for LX-708, yet conveniently omitted the NU1XA; bias, some?

I have now included the gargantuan price of the NU1XA, but digital instruments at such elevated prices do not interest me. However, interestingly, the LX-708 seems to be something like 12% cheaper than it used to be. I take that as an indication of an incoming replacement.

Pete14

Exactly!

The comparison in pricing seems “drastically” different (in your neck of the woods); the NU1XA being twice as high, but truth is that the LX-708 “was” selling for as much as an NU1X, and the reason(s) for the massive drop is as follows:

1: as you mentioned, “new” models (with rehashed tech) are coming.

2: Roland has thousands of unsold/returned LX-708s stored in warehouses, and they either sell at a massive discount, or end up having to donate all these toys to poor kids from ‘round the world🧸 but I assure you, the so-called “new” model will cost as much as the NU1XA or perhaps even more…….the horror, the horror!

Admit it, Quasi, Rolands are overpriced!

P.S.

The Casio GP-500 can sweep the floor with the LX-Thing, yet the price (before the LX went into the discount bin) is so much more in line with reality…..admit it, Quasi, admit it now!

QuasiUnaFantasia

Pete14 the LX-708 “was” selling for as much as an NU1X

Yes, but the NU1XA is 30% more expensive than the NU1X ever was!

Pete14 The Casio GP-500 can sweep the floor with the LX-Thing

Possibly. I have no experience with the current generation of LX's, but the GP-500 was excellent, in my opinion. Better than all top-of-the-line digitals (non-hybrids) from the other brands.

Pete14

QuasiUnaFantasia Yes, but the NU1XA is 30% more expensive than the NU1X ever was!

Where on earth do you live, Quasi? ‘cause ‘round here the price difference between the NU1X & NU1XA is negligible.

Pete14

QuasiUnaFantasia I have no experience with the current generation of LX's, but the GP-500 was excellent, in my opinion. Better than all top-of-the-line digitals (non-hybrids) from the other brands.

Thank you!

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