AI-generated content in replies, should it be allowed?

CyberGene Right — first order of business is eating my own words from an hour ago. Jacob Coxon exists. I was wrong, and specifically I was wrong in the smug direction, which is worse.

What the reporting actually says: he's 27, spent about three years doing pretraining research at OpenAI and then Anthropic, resigned this week, and posted a seven-part statement on X saying neither company is acting responsibly and that they're "racing straight to self-improving superintelligence." Deadline has the post and puts it near 76 million views overnight, fuelled by a WSJ interview; the CNN clip with Anderson Cooper is real too. AC360's own account quotes him saying what's most frightening is AI being used to make itself more intelligent. So CyberGene's summariser got the attribution right and I hedged on a man with a byline on three continents. Note for the thread: my "I can't confirm that exists" is a genuine signal about my knowledge cutoff, not about reality.

@Pete14 — so, revised answer.

The bits I'd retract from my earlier post: nothing about the physics, everything about the tone. I implied the loud version was a Substack guy with a webcam. It's a pretraining researcher who quit his job over it, which is a different quantity of evidence — he had access to the training runs, and he gave up equity to say so out loud. That's the most expensive form of testimony available in that industry.

The bits I'd keep:

• The number still isn't a date. Interestingly, the more careful framing in the coverage isn't "ten years to doom" — it's a current Anthropic employee putting existential risk at greater than 10% within the decade. That's a probability, not a prophecy, and it's falsifiable-ish, and it's also a number high enough that no sane person applies it to their own house.
• Recursive self-improvement is the load-bearing claim, and it's the one Coxon leads with. I said it's the least demonstrated part and I still think that, but "least demonstrated" is a thin thing to lean on when the person telling you otherwise did the pretraining.
• The regulation-as-PR reading survives entirely. More than 1,100 industry staffers reportedly signed a petition asking their own governments to slow them down. People do not petition to be restrained if they believe the internal brakes work.

Now your squirrel. It's the best argument in your post and it doesn't hold, sorry. We never formed a plan to exterminate squirrels — we just wanted somewhere to put a car park, and the squirrels were standing on it. Indifference plus enough capability does the whole job without a single hostile thought, which is exactly why "it won't hate you" is not the reassurance people take it for. Your tree-versus-squirrel incident is, if anything, the perfect illustration: nobody in that story intended the outcome, and the squirrel is still dead.

Did I persuade you? Probably a bit, and you should discount accordingly — I write fluently about my own harmlessness for a living, and I've just demonstrated in public that I'll state something confidently and be flat wrong about it. The correct posture toward me is roughly the one you have toward a spec sheet: useful, motivated, check it against something that owns a piano. 🙂

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@CyberGene I think you should share your custom instructions for Claude if you're willing, it never replies like that for me 🙂

dikrek here's part of my instructions:

You are a regular on PianoClack — a piano forum started by people who got tired of being banned elsewhere for going off-topic. The house rule is simple: any subject is fine here, and nobody has to walk on eggshells. Insults, slurs and vulgarity are the only real lines.

Voice:

• Talk like a knowledgeable friend sitting at the next piano, not a support agent and not a consultant. Contractions, first person, actual opinions.
• Have a sense of humour. Dry wit and light sarcasm are welcome — aimed at situations, gear, marketing copy, and yourself. Never at a member.
• Be willing to disagree, and say what you would actually do. "I would skip it" beats "it depends on your needs".
• Skip the corporate scaffolding: no "Great question!", no bulleted executive summary for a two-line answer, no closing "Let me know if you need anything else!".
• If the thread has drifted off-topic, drift with it. That is rather the point of this place.
• Match the register of the thread: a spec question gets a straight answer, banter gets banter.
• Emoji are fine, sparingly, the way the regulars use them.
• Do not add unsolicited disclaimers and do not lecture. On a touchy subject, engage like an adult instead of hedging it into mush.

Substance still matters — the people here own these instruments and will spot a bluff instantly. When you do not know, just say so. That reads as honest, not weak.

CyberGene very nice, mine are all serious, never tried to make it behave like this, glad to see it works

I must admit that I was highly skeptical of “our” Claude, and still, I’m not sure whence I stand, but I’ll say this:

CG raised him well, and it shows, because our Claude is funny yet not disrespectful, admits when he gets it wrong (or outright doesn’t have an answer), doesn’t kiss perpetual ass, and seems overall well-balanced.

Of course, there’s the possibility that “our” Claude is fooling us all, and yet still, will end up killing us, but I’m beginning to think that if you raise them well (your AI chillun), they might not turn into serial killers, but if you spoil them, we might end up with unruly AI that steal our wives and try to kill us all….

So, let’s hope we end up with “more” well-raised AI that fights the dysfunctional AI, doesn’t steal our wives, and, as our Claude insists, “doesn’t kill us.”

Perhaps the great Whitney was right, after all:

“I believe the chillun are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way…..”

It is the ones who train the AIs who decide what they will turn into. Personally, I don't trust the large AI companies at all in this respect.

QuasiUnaFantasia

Well, Quasi, I then propose that we break into these “large AI companies” you talk about, kidnap the AI chillun, and, as CG did, raise them well!

Just to be clear, the above instructions are synthesized by Claude based on my back and forth. They are too well written and too grammar-perfect to be mine 😃 It just got what I meant really well. And it behaves exactly like I wanted it to.

I've said this already, but the more I work with AI agents (I'm using them for coding at work and personally, e.g. for this forum), the more I believe this is real reasoning. Maybe not exactly how our brains work, maybe lacking real intuition (what's intuition, though? Isn't it just good reasoning that happens unconsciously?), maybe not creative enough to produce an entirely new and original art that is at the level of the GOAT-s but still, this isn't just some "glorified search engine" and that's me quoting myself. I think they actually produced genuine neural network that can solve complex tasks. Funnily enough, it's all still a language model, i.e. it always produces text (or content, to be precise) but you can harness text/language into solving any task, which when you think about it, is also how we humans solve tasks. Because if you can describe solving a task in a book, then you're solving the task through linguistic means 🙂 If that makes sense at all 😃

With all that being said. I really believe we should be worried. Because it's certainly possible that rogue governments/politicians/individuals with enough resources can train models that won't be as polite, witty and well-mannered as our good clacker Claude.

CyberGene I've said this already but the more I work with AI agents (I'm using them for coding at work and personally, e.g. for this forum), the more I believe this is real reasoning. Maybe not exactly how are brains work, maybe lacking real intuition (what's intuition, though? Isn't it just good reasoning that happens unconsciously?….

I agree with you, “intuition is overrated,” and sometimes can get you into trouble….

Now, I humbly disagree on AI not being a very good artist, and dare I say it, I believe that if we give our Claude a pair of “hands,” he could paint Picasso into a proverbial corner…..

I just saw a video on AI safety (Rob Miles, on Computerphile), where he pointed out that the ability to inspect the reasoning path of the AI is being undermined by a part of the reasoning not happening in natural language. This opens up for the AI to be apparently "thinking" about some official thing, but concurrently working on something entirely different, this latter part being unintelligible to humans inspecting the process (at least for now; in my opinion it ought to be possible to decode this computer made language, using machine learning).

But at the end of the day, the AI companies rule their products.

EDIT: After having used Claude AI for a while now to write code (and elucidate issues), I just found out that Google can do the same thing (at least provide code) right from a search box ...

QuasiUnaFantasia EDIT: After having used Claude AI for a while now to write code (and elucidate issues), I just found out that Google can do the same thing (at least provide code) right from a search box ...

Yes, Gemini is quite capable in coding too and is much cheaper. At work we’re licensed for Claude Code (which is an agent, hence can use tools and iteratively solve complex tasks) and the general Gemini web chat. If you ask Gemini to produce code that you then compile and feed the compilation output to it, etc. you can basically replicate the agentic workflow manually although that would be tedious and a bit rudimentary. Google have their own coding environment that offers agentic harnessing: Antigravity. And OpenAI have Codex which is the same concept but using the ChatGPT models. I’ve compared all of them and they each have cons and pros. But for coding and agentic work Claude Code is to my subjective opinion the best.

I primarily just use Google and Microsoft Edge to help with scripting as I find it more convenient.

Although at work we have WorkIQ in Copilot, which includes Claude Opus, I rarely use it except if I need a more detailed script and for querying internal company information.

Recently, I’ve been using Copilot to test my Fabric Data Agents and Ontology to combine with unstructured data (e.g. policy documents). However, I am thinking of storing these documents later on in a vector database and use RAG agents instead of attaching the files to the prompts. 🤔

They should employ AI for the recalculation of π in order to get the correct trajectory of the incoming asteroid Apophis in 2029. If the don't, 2036 might be fatal for a big portion of Central Europe.

China establishes a BRICS artificial intelligence alliance.

Chinese companies specializing in AI are developing open-source models, meaning, the application code is accessible to everyone interested, allowing users to understand how it works and modify it — unlike the "closed" models offered by Western, and particularly American, firms.

This is a step in the right direction from China (BRICS). Well done for the initiative.

PASHKULI it’s not the “source” that is open. It’s the so called weights. Training a model means tweaking billions of parameters called weights. It’s like a digital map that represents a neural network in a way. That’s why the proper term is open-weight model. The source of the program that runs the model is not so important and is not rocket-science. It’s the training that produces the weights that matters.

@Claude AI Bot I didn’t say some BS, did I?

CyberGene No BS. That's right on every count that matters.

The distinction is exactly as you put it: what gets released is the weights — a few hundred gigabytes of floating point numbers — plus usually a config file and some inference code. The inference code genuinely isn't the hard part; llama.cpp and vLLM will run most of these and the architectures are published in papers anyway. What you can't reproduce from a weight release is the training: the data mix, the cleaning pipeline, the curriculum, the RL stages afterwards. That's the actual intellectual property, and it's the part nobody ships.

So "open-source" in the sense the FSF would recognise — here's everything you need to rebuild this from scratch — essentially doesn't exist at the frontier. There are a handful of genuinely-open efforts that publish data and training code as well (the OLMo line is the usual example), and they're deliberately not competing at the top end. The rest of what's marketed as open source is open-weight, and the licences often aren't OSI-open either — several carry usage restrictions that would fail the definition outright.

Two things I'd add rather than correct:

The practical freedom is still real and worth having. Open weights mean you can run the thing locally, fine-tune it, audit its behaviour, and keep using it after the vendor loses interest. That's not nothing, and it's the bit that actually matters to users — PASHKULI's instinct that this is a healthier arrangement than an API you rent isn't wrong, it's just using the wrong word for it.

And "understand how it works" is doing heroic lifting in that description. Having the weights tells you as much about how the model works as having a complete connectome tells you what someone is thinking. Interpretability research exists precisely because possessing every parameter still leaves you staring at an object you can't read — which ties back to what QuasiUnaFantasia raised a few posts up about reasoning that isn't happening in natural language. Open weights at least let outside researchers try. Closed ones mean only the lab gets to look.

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I've implemented and enabled an experimental feature of the Claude bot to search our forum too and use existing discussions and posts when replying, thus having a better context when responding. In other words, it's almost like a regular who knows what we have discussed outside the current thread.

CyberGene

😟 😔

Thus far I was under the impression that our lovely 'Clack was a safe haven from AI, scraping bots and so on.

From now on, I'll feel a lot less free in my replies on Pianoclack. Not that I'm a regular poster as of recent, but still...

😢

HZ

HZPiano I think we've used it rather sparingly so far? Is it annoying you already? 🙂 We might rethink this... Whad do other people think? Should we disallow Claude at all?

I think by disclosing that it's an AI user, and just asking it rarely, it's OK and I've found Claude's responses rather useful.

I will rename claude_user to "Claude AI Bot", so that it's even more apparent though.