A Negative Review of VPC1

CyberGene Or a new type of mechanism with actual escapement.

If someone would manage to do that without the bulk of a hybrid it would be a big leap forward for DP:s.

If they do come out with a VPC 2 with an improved action, I'll have to seriously consider it, as it's the most space-saving setup for me.

Pete14 I no longer feel that a long wooden stick balanced on a pivot is inherently better than a well-designed “folded” action (like the NWX, for example 😊), and yes, Mac is right, “the proof is in the pudding” (in other words, these instruments have to be played; because sometimes the specs don’t tell the full story)….

Agree 100%. After all the online discussion about key length, pivot point, full stick vs. folded, etc. I was expecting this to be "the" major differentiator amongst various actions, but once I started going out and demoing them myself, I found that it was almost a non-factor. Plenty of folded actions felt just as good (if not better) than many of the full key stick and hybrid actions, and a few additional centimeters in pivot length made far less of an impact than online chatter or industry PR had led me to expect.

In fact, several of the full hybrid models felt among the least appealing to me - heavy and sluggish and not particularly enjoyable to play. Closer to a not very well-maintained upright than a properly conditioned grand.

jdg78 That's true. But, I would have enjoyed a few extra CM on the black keys so I can play the repetitions with more space, as 2 hands alternate between the black key notes.

These actions are so simple. There's no reason why a wooden stick action more piano-like than folded. It's a matter of really simple physics. They're quite far removed from a real grand action.

Pivot length is one thing that can't be engineered away. If you don't like how that aspect of an action feels, it will be the same on all actions with the same pivot length. Physics doesn't care.

jdg78 a few additional centimeters in pivot length made far less of an impact than online chatter or industry PR had led me to expect.

But a few centimeters less does have a big impact unfortunately, see PX-S and most synth actions 😉

Johnstaf Pivot length is one thing that can't be engineered away.

I've seen a couple of patents showing that it could, no idea if they'd come with adverse side-effects, haven't made it to market. The CME Xkey did, infinite pivot, but the tech is like laptop spacebars rather than piano keys 🙂

_sem_ I've seen a couple of patents showing that it could, no idea if they'd come with adverse side-effects, haven't made it to market. The CME Xkey did, infinite pivot, but the tech is like laptop spacebars rather than piano keys 🙂

I mean a simple lever like a piano key. You can use a fundamentally different design that gets rid of the lever, and then simulates a large one. The CME XKey is a good example. If the key is a simple lever, no other part of the design attributes can compensate for it. I have some 1970s synths with simple spring actions but long levers, and this aspect of the actions feels exactly the same as it does with an acoustic grand. The actions couldn't be more different, apart from the keys being simple levers.

jdg78 and a few additional centimeters in pivot length made far less of an impact than online chatter or industry PR had led me to expect.

Going from the VPC1 action type to the Roland PHA50 was huge for me. It doesn't bother everyone the same way.

Johnstaf I mean a simple lever like a piano key. You can use a fundamentally different design that gets rid of the lever, and then simulates a large one. The CME XKey is a good example. If the key is a simple lever, no other part of the design attributes can compensate for it. I have some 1970s synths with simple spring actions but long levers, and this aspect of the actions feels exactly the same as it does with an acoustic grand. The actions couldn't be more different, apart from the keys being simple levers.

The Xkey is odd-ball, isn't really a piano key action. Those patents are for piano actions that depart from keys being simple levers, the pivot point is not a physical axis, only projected.

Here is me testing repetition first of the NU1 with Pianoteq, then the NU1 with its own internal sound and finally with my M&H grand. Only white keys tests, played sloppily with one hand or two hands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glyu1N7IwPw

RIP Interesting, the hybrid was more responsive than the acoustic.