Native Instruments Claire - another Fazioli

CeDur · 2024-11-07T15:01:09+00:00

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/claire/ Sounds nice. No info regarding how many layers have been sampled etc.

HZPiano

Hello,

I had Noire on my windows 7 machine without problems, but I see now that they "demand" windows 10+ for Kontakt 8.

So probably, this candy slips through my fingers sadly. (Oops! An ABBA song springs to mind…).

Cheers!

Argyris

As we all know, Simeon could make a couple of lengths of guitar string stretched across a bucket and struck with a hammer sound like a fine concert grand, but still. Claire sounds exquisite in this video.

I'm not seeing this working in any sort of mix, at least not without judicious use of a high pass filter, but as a solo instrument? Maybe with just a vocal on top of it? It'd be gorgeous!

The warm, resonant richness of the tone really stands out to me, especially since it doesn't sound muddy at all for all the warmth.

jdg78

David Lai I was thinking of something -- both Ivory ACD and NI Claire were sampled in a performance hall. Listening to the ambient mics, you can hear hiss on the ACD, but very little noise on the Claire, which leads me to continue doubting whatever Ivory said to me about the "air in the concert hall" thing.

I recall someone doing a comparison of various popular piano VSTs a while back, and Noire ended up at the top of the heap in terms of having some of the lowest levels of ambient noise and being the most cleanly recorded. I would expect much the same from the Claire.

Whatever else can be said about the Galaxy instruments, they really know how to record pianos exceptionally well.

HZPiano

Argyris As we all know, Simeon could make a couple …

😄

Oh yes, certainly 🙂 🙂 🙂. He's a joyfully dangerous man 😉.

Cheers!

HZPiano

Argyris Maybe with just a vocal on top of it? It'd be gorgeous!

Indeed! It made me too think of a warm, round, female jazz voice together with this piano.

And a double bass 😋.

Cheers and happy slow swing,

pianow

Argyris I'm not seeing this working in any sort of mix, at least not without judicious use of a high pass filter

that's how it is for me with any piano vi, they just don't fit right in without a little EQing (especially the high and low ends)
so not a big deal anyway

Argyris The warm, resonant richness of the tone really stands out to me, especially since it doesn't sound muddy at all for all the warmth

all one can say is two words: MASTERFULLY RECORDED

pianow

jdg78 Whatever else can be said about the Galaxy instruments, they really know how to record pianos exceptionally well

I've been scrolling their website earlier today and it's safe to say that they don't have a single shitty product, especially their pianos,

the grandeur, giant, gentleman, maverick, una corda, piano colors, una corda, alicias keys electric and acoustic, the two recent vintage electric pianos and finally the NOIRE and CLAIRE.
i have all of them (not the Claire yet)
they're fu( . )( . )king awesome

i wish their next piano would be something like grandeur, with una corda, of course I'm not saying another steinway, that's an insult considering how many steinways are on the market
but something less overused, a 290 imperial maybe?😍

pianow

cool fact : based on the recording session pictures, the close mics (or at least one pair of the close mics) are the lewitt lct 540 s (1400$ a pair), my dream condenser mic that basically has no self noise (its electrical noise is below the threshold of human hearing)

of course that doesn't automatically translate to "a noiseless recording" (in fact that's up to the engineer's skill)
but it can elevate the sound quality a notch or two cause the signal is as clean as it gets and if there's a little noise in the final product, you can rest assured that it's the natural noise of the hall that must be there to be realistic.

dickiefunk

I can see myself picking this one up at some point. I own Noire and love it. It has been my goto piano for a few years and it has the lowest noise floor out of any sampled piano I’ve tried or own.

I am planning to pick up ViLabs Modern D first as I am looking for a hyper realistic piano vst and then I’ll probably add Claire for more interesting sound design options.

pianow

dickiefunk
if you wanna use something alongside modern d you can buy the piano colors by native instruments, it has all the weird noises that a piano can generate and it's the best to use with a better virtual piano as the so called particles engine, it's a very intuitive tool to work with
in fact I've been using it as a side chained instrument alongside my vsl 280vc for a year or so.

pipAT

Grandeur released in 2014, Noire in 2019, Claire in 2024, the next NI&GI Acoustic Piano VI might meet us in 2029 or round. So, we will join another hot thread in five years.

pianow

pipAT the next NI&GI Acoustic Piano VI might meet us in 2029 or round

i hope so, i really do, the ni community is already talking a load of shit about "ah another piano, we didn't need one"
and they also think 150$ is too much, I'm afraid these negative comments (which are based on nothing) will effect the galaxy instruments future, or hopefully they don't give a shit about a bedroom producer who thinks if the Claire sounds close to noire it must be a free update (💀) and continue doing the amazing job❤️

of course some negative yt comments mean nothing to company when the product is selling well.

pianow

@HeartKeys hello again 🙂
i wanted to know about the half and re pedal options, in noire (and any other galaxy instrument) you can turn them on and off, but in the claire i can't find such options, does that mean the piano supports advanced pedaling by default or it doesn't have such advanced settings? (i know how dumb this question is and i'm 99% sure claire has half and re pedaling built in, just making sure 🙂 )

pipAT

pianow

The official web provides a pdf manual and re-pedal detail is on page44. Check it out.

pianow

pipAT
oh thanks, so it's in the setting page as always, god i feel so stupid 🙂

pianow

vi control users have gone mad.

pipAT

The left pic is from Galaxy Instruments.

GALAXY INSTRUMENTS (galaxy-instruments.com)

Galaxy Instruments is a collective of freelance engineers and programmers based in Cologne, Germany. We strive to develop interesting and inspiring virtual instruments and push the boundries of what is possible in the world of sampled-based instruments. Innovation is a decisive aspect in our production approach and a large portion of our philosophy. We seek to produce instruments, that solve workflow problems for musicians and composers, inspire with sound and enable to create music more fluently.

Over the years, Galaxy Instruments has developed a strong partnership with Native Instruments as our distributor and partner throughout the production process. With the world's leading manufacturer of software and hardware for computer-based audio production on our side, our instruments are widely used and loved by musicians, composers, producers and sound designers from all over the globe.

So, GI and NI are two different companies.

Also I mistook Galaxy Studio for Galaxy Instruments.LoL.

THE STUDIO.

With its 330-square-meter room and eight-meter ceiling height, the main hall at Galaxy Studios in Belgium was the ideal location for capturing these instruments with a surround setup of microphones. In addition to having immaculate acoustic qualities, the entire studio complex is built on springs to ensure that any outside interference is literally nonexistent. In fact, with only 14 dBA of environmental noise, this room is the most quiet recording space of this size in the world.

I saw info like this several times: "I wasn’t aware they were still doing recordings at Galaxy. Almost exactly a year ago (late November ’23) the studio was declared bankrupt, put up for sale and its entire staff was layed off. But perhaps the ‘Claire’ sampling sessions date from before that saddest of sad days." from VI-C member re-peat.

Therefore, Claire and EZkeys Orchestral Grand were not done in the same place. Case closed for me.

pipAT

Oh, boy, I was wrong. They were recorded in the place. But, Galaxy Studio and Galaxy Instruments have different owners.

pianow

David B
hello mr david, as dear heartkeys mentioned, it works perfectly fine, both re pedaling and catch pedaling 🙂

dickiefunk

I keep going back and forwards between buying ViLabs Modern D and Claire. I’ve been listening to lots of demos and reading reviews and to be honest one day I like the Modern-D then the next day I prefer Claire.

Noire has been my favourite piano library that I’ve tried (including the VSL libraries). My main complaints with Noire were no alternative and adjustable mic perspectives, no Una Corda and some other more advanced pedalling support. These have all been addressed in Claire and the additional features are very welcome. I mainly record jazz, gospel, acoustic pop and sometimes classical. I’m sure Modern-D is technically more advanced but there’s something about the sound and features of Claire that I prefer in some areas. Claire is also half price with NI’s current $25 voucher despite Vi-Labs 30% off sale price!

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