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VSL Synchron Concert Steinway D-274 - a sort of review

HZPiano

Hello,

@vagfilm I don't have much time on my hands now, but at least let me compliment and thank you for your elaborate and nice article!

When there is some time, I will listen to your 4x4 comparisons, I'm sure that will be interesting, and to @David B's videos as well.

Cheers and the happiest playing,

HZ

PS I reckon the pastor is happy 🤭 😉.

PPS As written on PW, I have a love affair with the Blüthner 1895; still waiting for their migration to iLok to be completed and for some budget and/or price reduction. Had some hopes for the upcoming black Friday, but don't see any 'iLok is ready' smoke signals.


David B

vagfilm Do you want to send me a midi file and I will render it to audio?

That's very kind of you, but I'm more interested in how the updates impact the playability. That's where I think the biggest differences would be felt.

God Bless,
David


vagfilm

That is where you own midi file comes handy: that will be you playability benchmark... A midi file recorded of you playing VSL Bosendorfer (or the internal CFX) is like you are used to play; you know it will sound good if played back through the Bosendorfer. If the same file also sounds good on the D-274, you know instantly what the playability of the D-274 is, at worse... It may even get better by tweaking the settings.


vagfilm

Don't know what happened, but the first sentence on the above post should have "your" and "your" instead of "you" and "you". I need an edit window of a couple of days 😊


QuasiUnaFantasia

I am interested in trying how these Minnesota MIDI files render in my VI's. Are they available from somewhere?


MacMacMac

vagfilm I need an edit window of a couple of days

I agree. I don't see any reason to even have an edit window.

After all, a user can only edit his own posts. And it's not as if these posts are sworn, recorded testimony!


vagfilm

QuasiUnaFantasia I am interested in trying how these Minnesota MIDI files render in my VI's. Are they available from somewhere?

From here. As far as I understand, they are public domain, but if you intend to republish publically, better read the fine print...
https://www.yamahaden.com/midi-files


QuasiUnaFantasia

vagfilm Thanks! That site is quite a treasure.

I downloaded the Mozart, and played it through my Ivory II Steinway B; it sounds as brilliant as a blooming professional CD. Why does it not sound that good when I play that VI? Hmm … those pro's must have a trick up their sleeve (maybe all that practicing actually works).



vagfilm

David B I feel like I'm turning your review into a concert. 😀

No problem with you turning this into a concert 😀 ... And I find the tone in this video very good, and very similar to what I anticipate a Steinway to sound. If at that time, you had the possibility of flattening the initial part of the velocity curve (from 0-70, being mapped like 0-60 or 0-55), the tone would be even better, I reckon. That is what I like in the VSL D-274: you can tame it down (either by exquisite technique or by flattening down the curve), while retaining the possibility of making an almost aggressive timbre in the top range of velocities. And with their engine and number of layers, that transitions are always smooth (if you create a smooth curve).

But the tone of the Steinway always has a bit of complexity within: will never have notes made essentially of the fundamental, but the harmonics are always very present and to an extent you almost hear the double or triple strings sound independently from each other. As if the strings are more tensed than in other pianos and give off more metallic blooming. Even when you play just one note, it almost sounds like there are two pianos being played. If you listen to classical music CD, that is characteristic of concert pianos. The VSL CFX behaves the same way, and the Bluethner thrives on that. On the other hand, more muffled VSTi (Noire is probably the best exemple of that, but even Garritan and the VSL Bosendorfer Imperial have a mild version of this) filter a lot the sound to make it more focused on the fundamental frequency. That is what I erroneously called "bell-like" in my initial comments (I say erroneously because there is probably nothing that generates more harmonics than a bell...). The VC280 has also that characteristic of a more "rounded" tone but on top of that the change in timbre in higher velocities never gets really aggressive like in the D-274, CFX or Imperial. For late classical music (which I hope to be able to play one day), I find this very important; for hymn playing like you do, the D-274 will probably always be a struggle and the VC280 is a match made in heaven of clear notes and more even timbre across velocities.

I feel that with the Garritan CFX and the D-274, I have covered my needs. Maybe in the future I get the VSL Bluethner, but this needs very good pedal technique to sound OK. When I tried the demo, in my hands it sounded really thin, awful and unforgiving; the notes sounded loud or silent by any slight error in pressure. And I really want to try the Modern U, but don't want to pay for something and then miss the deep bass notes... In only they had a demo...


HZPiano

Hello,

QuasiUnaFantasia (maybe all that practicing actually works)

That just cannot be it 🤔.

Cheers and happy pr…

HZ


QuasiUnaFantasia

vagfilm (Noire is probably the best exemple of that, but even Garritan and the VSL Bosendorfer Imperial have a mild version of this) filter a lot the sound to make it more focused on the fundamental frequency. That is what I erroneously called "bell-like" in my initial comments (I say erroneously because there is probably nothing that generates more harmonics than a bell...)

Maybe what you instinctively meant was that the spectrogram was "bell shaped" around the fundamental frequency?


HZPiano

Hello,

vagfilm I really want to try the Modern U, but don't want to pay for something and then miss the deep bass notes...

As laid out in the

David B Modern U

thread, I have a setup (software settings as well as amplification and speakers) that gives a lovely full-bodied piano sound.

The sound is/feels very authentic, including the bass register. So that is how it is: authentic bass such as how you'd find it on a taller quality upright. When 'blooming' the bass with the pedal down, my concrete floor vibrates to match. Upright piano bass however is different from a 9'-er grand piano. In this light you may not get the bass that suits your taste, yet it is exactly as it should be.

Last week I encountered (in a charity shop) an old, German tall upright -- keys stuck, the inside dusty, dirty and perhaps even moldy. I played it for some time, making use of what keys were still playable. To my surprise, its tone was clear, round, articulated, and beautiful -- much better than many uprights we usually come across. It was so nice that I recognized a remarkable resemblance to the tone I get from Modern U. I felt right at home.

So the other way round, that is how well Modern U is done. It gives me the piano that currently I can't have other(acoustic)wise.

Cheers and happy considering,

HZ


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