Modern D vs Pianoteq vs The People

Johnstaf I'm surprised by such a bitchy comment from you.

Me too. Maybe it's time for me to use that button? I guess there's something true about pianow's comments regarding Pete14, that Pete is indeed a troll.

David Lai And yes, I did understand the train analogy. You started something, then we follow along, and then you continue to develop your points, inforcing us to believe in what you're thinking.

You almost got it (good), except for the “inforcing” part (I suppose you meant enforcing); because that implies that I’m keeping people hostage in my proverbial train……

David Lai Me too. Maybe it's time for me to use that button? I guess there's something true about pianow's comments regarding Pete14, that Pete is indeed a troll.

By all means, go ahead and press “that button,” but if I’m a troll, then that makes all “aboard” trolls!

Surely, you’re not saying that CG is a troll, because if you scroll further up you will see that CG is doing some heavy bashing (not just about modeling, but also about Jazz musicians 😁), and yes, he’s also aboard the IMHO train.

Thank god, this isn’t PW, where all you need is a few loud voices, “he’s a troll,” for the banning hammer to come down.

P.S.

Are you now denying you said that what I say is ‘strange & dumb,’ and that you wouldn’t speak to Mac (an intellectual) the way you speak to (dumb) Pete. I’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gist of it, go ahead, everybody, take a look.

David Lai Now, since I've shared my music here, why not sometime you also share something you've been working on?

Oh, you got me there; that’s what you really wanted to ask along, wasn’t it?

As soon as I finish learning “For Elise” (or is it Fur Elise), I’ll upload it.

BTW, have you asked Mac, and for that matter half the forum, to post something they’re working on; you know, so they can show they’re worthy of an opinion….

Pete14 I suppose you meant enforcing

Yes, I did. Sorry, English is my second language. My first language is Mandarin Chinese.

Pete14 BTW, have you asked Mac, and for that matter half the forum, to post something they’re working on

No, but why should I ask them? It's just that your posts are more controversial, extraordinary (or out-of-ordinary) and, to certain extent, fantastic and stretched that I don't know if you're speaking from a musician's point of view. How come we can all hear the sound of PianoTeq, describe it as synth-like, but you go around every sample library thread and say that PTQ is the best? I'm very much puzzled.

Pete14 As soon as I finish learning “For Elise” (or is it Fur Elise), I’ll upload it.

Sounds good, looking forward to it. Also, it sounds like you are in the early intermediate crowd. OK, good to know. 🙂 I look forward to hearing you play!

Pete14 By all means, go ahead and press “that button,” but if I’m a troll, then that makes all “aboard” trolls!

I think in English, you call it "gasslighting?"

David Lai

Oh, I can see the grin on your face from a mile away, and I’m beginning to think you use the “language barrier” excuse when convenient, and I also sense you get sarcasm (once again, when convenient; however, this time you pretended not to get it).

Interesting you talk about gaslighting, because you’re the one posting 4 times back to back (as to overwhelm me), “looking forward” to hearing my ‘beginner’s’ attempt at For Elise (language barrier?), calling me a troll persistently because you claim I jump into any sampling thread (not true) to simply troll, yet ignoring me when I say that we all bash & mock, and if that’s what makes me a troll, then we’re all trolls….but of course, you ignore that….

Oddly enough, you got the train analogy, but not the IMHO, and my ‘working hard towards For Elise’ (how convenient).

Pete14 and I’m beginning to think you use the “language barrier” excuse when convenient

Oh, come on there, my first language is indeed not English, though I might sound American.

Okay, it looks like we’re trying to prove who has the biggest D at this point, so I’m going to sign-off (simile for stop) for the time being, but do not assume for a minute that this means I concede, because I’ve yet to find a man with a bigger D…….not even the Modern D can come close to Pete!

We shall continue this fight for D supremacy tomorrow, because, really, I have to do the dishes, and look after my huge D!

To be continued……

Pete14 Okay, it looks like we’re trying to prove who has the biggest D at this point, so I’m going to sign-off (simile for stop) for the time being, but do not assume for a minute that this means I concede, because I’ve yet to find a man with a bigger D…….not even the Modern D can come close to Pete!

Hahaha, alright, then, Pete. All I can say is, I still don't agree with what you say, and you have some rather odd opinions.

And I have to say, you certainly got me out of character a bit with your provocations. Maybe that was your purpose all along? I don't know, but I certainly worked with playing this word game with you. Take care.

I used to enjoy Pete14 when he was a "gentle" troll. He was bonkers, but funny and likable.

But no longer. He's become a PITA, without redeeming qualities. I think it's time for him to go. Really.

RIP I actually am one who believes you have much better hearing than most 🙂

Same here!

HZ

Pete14 Oh please, don’t flatter yourself; what you do have is an above-average ego

you yap like a Bit¢h, troll.

Pete14 I’ll give you a good one here: Rubalcaba (a master musician) doesn’t have perfect pitch; he can’t tell a C from a D (from ear) if his life depended on it, yet this idiot down here does (have perfect pitch), and he can’t play a tritone substitution if his life depended on it!

I'm sure they were talking about the ability to tell different characteristics apart (like this is bright, this one's dull, that one is a bit midrange focused and the pinoteq is synthetic), so...why the hell you brought "perfect pitch" (a truly rare ability) to the discussion remains a great mystery, but i tell you this : perfect pitch isn't a "musicians_only" ability (and by musicians i mean instrument players.)
a mix engineer can also have perfect pitch, yea they can't play instruments but having that ability helps them mix several instruments a lot better...
another example, singers.

on the other hand there are thousands of musicians who don't have this ability but they're the best of the best out there,

the thing is both of these groups of people have good ears (at least most of them)
and I'm sure David lai is one of them too, how do i know? because i also have great ears.

oh and... IM"HHH"O btw...

David Lai my first language is indeed not English, though I might sound American YouTubeCCMpower Impact Story: Jiajun (David) LaiJiajun (David) Lai is in his second year of studying in the master's piano program at UC's College-Conservatory of Music. Lai lost his sight at a very early ... .

That was a really neat video. I enjoyed listening to you talk. You're very articulate in English even as a second language. You actually speak more intelligently than many Americans who only speak English. 😀

God Bless,
David

David B

I saw that video about @David Lai quite a while ago, indeed quite a nice interview (of sorts) / introduction.

Cheers and happy studies,

HZ

MacMacMac

Oh, so I became a biotch within the last month or so?

Not even a month ago you said something to the extent that I was “a likable troll,” but it seems like in just a month I went from “likable troll,” to “unredeemable troll,” but you know what, Mac? I can see right through your facade, because the truth is that you got offended at my poking fun at MAGA, and ever since you went on the attack; that’s the truth.

I’m a biotch? yet you’re the one posting huge sign-posts back-to-back, “don’t feed the troll,” without even reading through the thread for some context; something I ask other members to do before they condemn me.

Take this thread, for example, everything was going fine; we were all half-joking, tongue-in-cheek, and doing our usual bashing of each other’s preferences whilst still making salient points (yes, it’s possible to walk and chew gum at the same time), then, very suddenly, David decides to insult me (I already stated what he said, so please scroll up to read his post). I responded in a less-insulting way (much less insulting), and then it went from there, and he accused me of ‘putting words in his mouth,’ so thank god we only have half an hour to edit our posts; because I wouldn’t doubt he would’ve edited his post (once again, for anyone in the dark, look at the post that started it all, and also how much fun we were having before that)….

I'll try to be the mediator here 🙂 And no, I'm not, a saint either, I'm a typical short-tempered Eastern European, as you well know 🤣 But since I can somehow see from aside this time, let me share my opinion.

I have noticed that Pete has indeed become slightly bitchier lately 🙂 Maybe he has been provoked. Maybe many times. By Mac, by someone else, by the Modern D euphoria, whatever. And I also noticed that David's comment about the perfect pitch might have been taken as an insult. But it didn't come out of thin air either, he's been provoked too. He's probably not familiar with Pete and his type of humor. But again, Pete's been slightly edgy lately which can aggravate the situation if one is not aware that Pete is not malicious. Add to it that some people have been fueling David with those constant accusations against Pete being a troll and you have the perfect storm.

Now, I can't say whether the chicken or the egg came first and who's to blame. Maybe no one is to blame 🙂

CG and David B (the bosses),

I promise I will cease and desist, but I must say one more thing, if you’d allow me,

MacMacMac Hey, what about all us peoles!?

That was Mac about a week ago, so it could be that I was wrong about the “MAGA” thing, and this constant switching positions (“he’s likable;” “he’s unredeemable”) is just his modus operandi, or it just depends on what side of the bed he wakes up, whether one day he plays and the other he disdains.

I was the one who started the whole “peole” thing, and guess what? Del Vento, himself, found it funny, and even played along with this “unredeemable troll,” who, according to Mac & Friends, ‘has to go.’

BTW, I’m not going anywhere, unless the bosses decide to fire me, and truly, I’m glad that the “piling-up” tactic doesn’t work ‘round here; where a few loud voices simply have to get some support from some of their friends, and, of a sudden, banned gets Pete…..no questions asked.

Look at all the evidence above (a little tongue-in-cheek), and decide for yourselves who is more consistent (I’m always Pete), and who changes along with the weather, or whatever……

BTW, I rarely get “bitchy,” and even John found it odd that I’d gone full-biotch, because it’s not what I do, and most people ‘round here know that my “insults” are meant in jest because I leave enough room for this to come across, so no, Pete has not suddenly turned into a biotch; however, like any other human being, he, too, can dish it out when pushed…..

IMHO!