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My Desert Island Piano VST - VI Labs Modern D

SH4DOW

You can hear it here, don't pay any attention to the playing, I've only been playing for 2 years.

pianow

SH4DOW

can you upload an example? play a few notes maybe?

SH4DOW

pianow

I've got a Vod that's timestamped from twitch awaiting approval atm, I will record something that better shows what I'm experiencing and upload to youtube and link it here after I've cooked and eaten.

pianow

David Lai

can you upload an example davy? some sustain notes with and without the pedal
I'd appreciate it

vagfilm

In a real-life grand piano the uppermost 15-16 keys don't have dampers at all: pedal up or pedal down, the decay is absolutely the same.

OlivierW

SH4DOW it's like my real Grand Piano with fast and regulated dampers + right releases like real piano. with fast a right behaviour. With my midi Keyboard / N1X : no problem. Great release feeling and i've a grand Piano too. great real Steinway Staccato's

Try with player C414 mic + Room Mic : the sound will be better too

OlivierW

SH4DOW i've found : Set key noises to 0 dB. By default is off.

just set on Key noise to 0dB and use Play C414 mic : you will feel better

@vilabs : set default preset with Player C414 et Key noises on, i find it's a better default preset

HZPiano

CyberGene the sound from the distant mics was somehow compensated for the delay of the distant mics.

I believe that is what VI Labs call "phase aligning" all of their mic pairs. And it works beautifully.

Out of curiosity I once did a test (with Modern U as the piano):

At my piano I have four Wharfedale Diamond speakers, the upper pair gets the close mics, the lower pair gets the soundboard mics. Works splendidly.

So I thought: Well, what about those room mics. My TV and hi-fi, between two and three metres away in the same room, also have a pair of Diamonds. So I sent Modern U's room mics to that speaker pair. As one would expect over that distance, the resulting experience was very weird with the phase/time differences resulting from that two to three meter distance. It wasn't pretty 😋 so end of test; back to four speakers.

Cheers and happy experiments,

HZ

SH4DOW

vagfilm I'm aware of that thanks.

I guess I expected more natural sustain from a 200k instrument in the upper registers, never noticed that short of a decay using other VST's like Garritan CFX, Pianoteq etc…. good to know it's normal for an acoustic to lack any sustain really in the upper 40% of the keys, maybe it's just Steinways as the Garritan Yamaha CFX doesn't have this note decay as drastic from what I can remember.

OlivierW Thanks for the information, I will give those a try when I next sit down at the Piano.

David Lai

SH4DOW Glad to hear it. Yes, this is a very faithful presentation of a New York Steinway. Remember to play around different microphones, adjust the resonances, ETC. You'll be able to find a good sound and play. Save a preset for yourself, or a daw project, and then you're good to go.

pianow

SH4DOW
that's actually completely normal, idk what to say

sometimes used pianos has a more complex sustain, and longer decay
but this one is brand bew (the steinway they've sampled is)
so it's normal

pianow

SH4DOW never noticed that short of a decay using other VST's like Garritan CFX, Pianoteq

well not only that garritan is a cfx (so there's no logical reason for a direct comparison to the steinway d)
but it's also a somewhat used piano, they've recorded thousand of things with it before sampling it so that's to be expected
as i said the modern d is a sampled version of a very new and fresh steinway d

about the pianoteq, that thing isn't natural when it comes to decay, you can play a chord in the lower octaves and you'll see

OlivierW

dickiefunk i can run 3 mics , just change the Memory buffer in UVI workstation. Run wirh 3% CPU on my m2 Mac.

OlivierW

pianow yes, the Pianoteq decay Main Tone is not natural but the resonance is very good when sidechained with real sample Piano in Logic 11 or Reaper. Even better than Ivory 3 resonance

vagfilm

Wonderful phrasing. Congrats. I think this is probably one your best recordings (who cares about the wrong note at the end? I certainly don't…)

Do you have the same Nocturne recorded with VSL (or VSL with pianoteq)? I briefly searched your posts and could not find it… The same piece played by the same hands on the same controller is the best way to compare tone and VST adaptability.

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