VSL Bosendorfer 280VC (my dearest🤍)

pianow · 2024-09-11T16:20:54+00:00

all of you people know that i adore this piano, i never shut up about it😁😁 but today I'm gonna tell you WHY i love it so much, starting with the pros: it is truly 3 dimensional, the attack is not a simple volume pick, you can hear (and even feel it with your body when playing with studio monitors) that the attack rings through the soundboard and not just that, it does that in the most realistic and convincing way, it's beautiful. i saw some people comparing the highs of the 280vc to the pianoteq💀 it's not fair to this (280) piano, dare i say it has the best highs among all virtual pianots, it's as real as it gets. the thing that sells it for me is how full it sounds, i always start playing a new piano by playing a Cmaj chord with medium pressure, with the most virtual pianos, it sounds empty and bodyless, even one of my favourites (vsl lmperial) does this to a certain point although it's so much better then most pianos but not the 280vc, the moment i played that chord on the 280vc i was like : 🤯🤯🤯 it was unbelievably full and warm. the playability: next generation, you heard that right, it plays like a Lamborghini, better then all virtual pianos even some of the vsl own pianos (after the 280vc, vsl is doing the same with their newer pianos, the f308 and f212 also have most of these qualities, it's just that I don't really like the tone of the faziolis but I'm keeping an eye out for newer Pianos with the same quality from them) another pro is how this thing handles a mix or an arrangement, you can put it in any mix and it doesn't desolve like the d274, it doesn't get drowned like the cfx, and it doesn't get unrealistically forward like the f308, it stays where you want it to.. but sometimes it offers too much body for the song and you might wanna cut some low frequencies out to be able to put it where you want. the cons (yeah there's some flaws and this is a honest review so I'm pointing those out as well😁) first, the Highest velocities are somewhat unpleasant to my ears, so bright and brutal (sometimes you may need them but i don't) i like the fff range of the imperial so much better the imperial fortissimos unfold so beautifully and it's to be expected considering how big the stage A is, it lets the piano breathe so heavily, the 280vc on the other hand is much narrower in that range, the character of the tone doesn't open up like the imperial, that's not a flaw of course, that's how these pianos are recorded. the other con (this is really bothering me) is the E3 and E#3 those notes have so much nasality to them, to the point that they can ruin a chord when they're in it, I'm exaggerating of course but they're not pleasant at all, i wish vsl would fix them third flaw, it doesn't let me buy more pianos, it's like whatever I'm gonna buy after this gorgeous piano will be a downgrade, i feel trapped😭 i like how the imperial sounds but the 280vc is better in lots of ways, i can convince myself thay i need another piano (untill vsl release another beauty like this one and evdn better) another point (it's not a flaw or a pro or anything but a personal experience) i feel like most effects work better on the 280vc (due to its full and rounded sound) then the stage a pianos and the uprights (and i don't like how the effects work with the bluthner or fhe New f212 so basically i think it only works this fine with fhe 280) i was playing with unrealistic reverbs and delays (blackhole and raum and others) and none of the vsl offerings sounded as good as the 280, it was dreamy, i loved it so all in all, in today's market I'd only recommend two virtual pianos seriously, for production and studio use, and even playing : vsl 280vc for playing everything and some studio work : vsl imperial

pianow

Pete14

an imagineer? oh sorry a professional Imagineer!!!

thanks for clarifying man, i really appreciate it.

Pete14

David Lai You're a dreamer, yes, I know that.

Why can’t you people get it right?

No, I’m not a dreamer, nor am I an imaginer (both amateur); I’m an effing Imagineer!

David Lai

Pete14 I get it, Pete. 🙂 You imagine things that are founded in fantasy. We dream starting from reality. That's the difference.

Pete14

Interesting, because I think sampling is an illusion to keep a moment, that once was, alive! For you see, it is a fantasy to believe that dead (samples) can be brought back to life via artificial means without something getting lost in transition; not to mention the rotting stench of decomposition!

If only we had a better approach? but wait, we do; however, I won’t mention it so as to not start another war.

I know it can be hard to let go of that with which we’ve become accustomed (like grandpa); hence, my desire to help you people during these difficult times, bury grandpa, go on with life, start anew & unrestrained by sampled resonances, and una corda samples.

I see dead samples, and whilst the samples might seem alive to you from afar, go ahead, get up & close and take a strong whiff of that there sample sitting on the couch, and tell me, does the rotting stench of that corpse bother you some?

https://youtu.be/WvITkVaOpUs?si=mFJquD_SFXmiekmZ

QuasiUnaFantasia

Sampled, modelled, acoustic ... The eternal question (which of course has an easy answer):

Pete14

QuasiUnaFantasia

I’ll take the model (Marilyn), thank you very much!

I’m assuming she represents “modeling,” because, you know……..

BTW, Frankenstein seems like the logical choice to represent sampling; because they’re both put together (from spare dead parts) by crazy people! 😆

CyberGene

https://studiologic-music.com/blog/2024-09-13_nxp_stage_d/

QuasiUnaFantasia

Pete14 I’m assuming she represents “modeling,” because, you know……..

I'm afraid the Terminator represents modelling ...

David Lai

Pete14 i’ll tell you two secrets that you don’t want to hear, dear Pete.

A: “Numa X Piano Acoustic Modeling technology perfectly shapes the high-resolution samples to express the full tonal range and nuanced resonance of a grand piano, ensuring that Stage D stands out in any performance environment.” Notice that this model comes from supposedly dead samples!

B: the Piano Tech company you worship so much also has once admitted that they based their New York Steinway on a recording.

So, sampling is very much well and alive, and it can help shape any moment to bring new music under your fingertips.

So, my advice to you is, sit down and play some more piano!

Pete14

QuasiUnaFantasia I'm afraid the Terminator represents modelling ...

BTW, is it modelling or modeling?

I tend to use one L (for practical reasons); however, I’m willing to consider using two, so long as no grammar rules are broken……

Pete14

David Lai “Numa X Piano Acoustic Modeling technology perfectly shapes the high-resolution samples to express the full tonal range and nuanced resonance of a grand piano, ensuring that Stage D stands out in any performance environment.”

Who do you work for, David Lai?

David Lai

Pete14 Who do you work for, David Lai?

I don't work for anyone. I'm still a student. I just copied from what I read in their press releases.

Take this, right from the king of modeling piano synthesizers: "The physical model is based on recordings made at the famous New York Steinway Hall." Even they say that some kind of recording was used to create the model. So it's not totally math, there are audio samples (recordings) involved.

Pete, be real, friend.

David Lai

Pete14 BTW, is it modelling or modeling?

It's modeling, only one L. My speech synthesizer program also agrees.

Pete14

David Lai

Okay, so I’ll stick to one L!

I wonder what prompted Quasi, a lauded grammarian, to use two, whence he could’ve always used one….🤔

QuasiUnaFantasia

I lived for 12 years in England. There, it is spelled modelling. The "modeling" is an American spelling.

I have attended many conferences where Brits thought it was about modelling, whereas Americans thought it was about modeling. Despite this serious obstacle and potential issue of enmity, bloodshed has been rare.

pianow

i haven't been around since yesterday and here's a freaking war going on (again!!!)

Khuja Wangtishvili

@pianow

please share some recordings With us

pianow

Khuja Wangtishvili

I'd love to but I'm busy worrying two jobs RN, i haven't touched a key in almost 3 weeks, sorry friend

pianow

Pete14 I think sampling is an illusion to keep a moment, that once was, alive! For you see, it is a fantasy to believe that dead (samples) can be brought back to life

is it? cause everytime someone plays those sampled instruments, they become alive, cause they sound real and that's all that matters, REALISM, with shi.ty modeling instruments, you create a sound in the moment (it's kinda alive, your logic btw) but it doesn't matter cause it sounds like shi… when the alive and fresh sound, feels like the terminator's trying to be a human but he obviously can't, I'll stick to the samples (the pictures of real humans, instead of robots) thank you

at least I'm no so delusional so i could think terminator can replace real people. the sampling has its own place, studio-use!!! and in that regard, it has no competition really. like the new SYNCHRON PRIME EDITION FLOW from the vsl, the only modeled competition for it is SWAM collection😂 (check them both out)

so yea sampling has its own place and it's not to be an alternative (or a better version😂) to the real instrument

pianow

nothing would bring this much pleasure but a morning blood bath 🔥

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