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Kawai VPC1 "Successor"

Johnstaf

jdg78 Current top contender is the Roland FP-90X which I've found to have a really nice action (very solid and robust with great key feel) and also works very well as a midi controller (good thing too, b/c the onboard sounds are frankly terrible).

I upgraded from a Kawai MP-10 (with a similar action to the VPC-1) to a Roland FP90 and never looked back.


Gamma1734

Thanks again for the answers.

Okay, so I tried the 515 in a store a long time ago and I actually have very good memories of it, it felt pretty good, but I only played one or two pieces on it, i.e., not representable for normal musical situations. Didn't realize that 525 is out, sounds interesting, yeah.

About velocity curves, I just change them in my DAW, it's very easy.

Studiologic I bought some years ago but had to send back, think it was sl88. Maybe I just had a bad day but I remember being disappointed with the way the action behaved. Should tried everything with the curves, maybe I decided too quickly, don't know.

I bought my vpc1 few years ago for about 1.3k€ (new). For 2.2k$ I think I wouldn't have bought. I understand some context now! For me vpc1 was always like the best option for about 1k. But if it's 2k or even more, everything changes.

Again, I'm really pleased with the vpc1+Garritan combination, and I couldn't even think of how an improvement would look like, because I'm so used to it, but will check the Roland and Yamaha out.


David B

jdg78 Current top contender is the Roland FP-90X which I've found to have a really nice action (very solid and robust with great key feel) and also works very well as a midi controller (good thing too, b/c the onboard sounds are frankly terrible).

My experience exactly. Great controller with terrible onboard sounds. As a controller it's better than any Yamaha I've owed even the N1X. I'm simply referring to the ability to reach all velocity levels and control dynamics. Of course this is based on my crude and undeveloped ability, but the ability to reach the full spectrum and "easily" control the lower velocities is more objective than subjective.

God Bless,
David


Gamma1734

I just checked, here in Austria the p525 is over 2.1k$ (converted). Yikes!


Gamma1734

David B That sounds really good. Thanks for your view on this!


Pete14

David B

So rude, you are!😒


Gamma1734

I see an offer for the fp90, 1k and almost new. Is that good?


johanibraaten

Gamma1734 I see an offer for the fp90, 1k and almost new. Is that good?

It’s the same design and action as the FP90x. However, it lacks USB-audio and when using it as a controller that’s a neat feature to have.


SouthPark

Gamma1734 Didn't realize that 525 is out, sounds interesting, yeah.

Somebody said a few things about the P-525 here --- LINK


HZPiano

Hello,

@Gamma1734 ,

I do understand curiosity -- it gets to me all the time.

However a significant question arises: If you're so All Ok piano-wise as it is already, then: why change the winning team?

Cheers and happy curiosity,

HZ

PS In any case thanks for opening an interesting thread!


Gamma1734

HZPiano Ah, would of course try out and see if I notice considerable improvements first, that is clear. Also having speakers at all would be already quite an improvement for me at this point. I just wanna jam and sit down sometimes, not open everything up and have something on my head.


scherbakov.​al

Having been the owner of VPC-1 for several years now, I can tell you that before purchasing this device looked very attractive due to its wooden keys and minimalist design. Even now I like the lack of annoying extra keys, extra holes, etc. But in practice, it turned out that when playing for a long time, the mechanism of the instrument causes your hands to get tired. Also, after playing the VPC-1, you will lose the lightness, flight and tenderness of the touch if you have to play on a live instrument. After VPC-1 on a live keyboard, you will roughly hit the keys. But if you only play on VPC, you can get used to it. But still, a fast, easy and flying game is not about this instrument. And there is a possibility of getting hand disease.


jdg78

johanibraaten It’s the same design and action as the FP90x. However, it lacks USB-audio and when using it as a controller that’s a neat feature to have.

Yeah, the FP-90X includes an onboard USB audio interface, which is a huge plus if you plan to use it as a MIDI controller, and another one of its primary selling points for me.

The older FP-90 doesn't include USB audio, so I would definitely go for the updated version if you can.


Gamma1734

I'm starting to believe that different instruments are particularly suitable for different pianistical demands. Maybe it would be worthwhile to keep 2 instruments even. The vpc1 is just a bit a bit mushy but more grand like than the Roland, but the Roland is maybe better for fast pieces where you want to grab into the keys like on an upright. I don't know



MacMacMac

Back to the non-existence of a VPC2 …

What would anyone expect from such an instrument? The VPC is little more than a keyboard. The only thing that could be changed or upgraded would be the action. There's nothing else.

Anyway … I'm leaning toward Pete14's position. There are better choices than the VPC, including the Yamaha P-series.

So just pick a keyboard with a suitable action … and turn the volume to zero. Voila! Your very own VPC .. under a different moniker.


Khuja Wangtishvili

Get Roland FP90X. However, you can get used FP90 for as little as 800 EUR if you look look good and negotiate bit. I don't think you will loose anything vp VPC1, besides the look and form caftor, if those two are of special interest to you. Additionally, you will have full blown, best portable piano on the market.


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