The recent bans on PianoWorld

MBiG · 2021-10-03T16:33:11+00:00

Hello all, Really a very good idea. Opening this forum in parallel with PW, thank you very much. On the subject of the ban. First of all I would like to say that I am very sorry about all this. Especially the fact that the thread was closed because of my OT. I would like to apologise again to everyone in the forum and especially to you, Tyr. Regarding the incident itself, I can only say that apart from the posts as they are to be read in the thread, no other posts were made. So no direct attack or denigration of a member. I was banned without warning. My ban lasts until 10/15. How long Mac and Pete have been banned I can't say of course. As soon as my ban is over I will immediately contact the admin and ask for the thread to be unlocked. If I have to give up my account at PW for this, or if a small compensation for the administrative process would be necessary, this is also fine with me. I absolutely agree with my ban because of OT, but not so much with the fact that the thread was closed immediately. I am against colective punishment. I also think that Mac and Pete were punished too harshly. I apologise again so much, Tyr. Feel free to post this in the thread at PW as well. As long as it helps to clarify the situation. Many thanks and greetings, MBiG

MBiG

MacMacMac

Ah,...OK, got it. (and I was wondering about this already....)

Merci 👍

Drew-r

While this is for anyone to answer I want to ask the multi-offender PW ex-cons if they know or at least have a good feel for - why all the cloak & dagger drama with how banning goes down …. the secrecy as though its a high matter of state intrigue followed by anonymous sources claiming facts / gossip not in evidence as though they are plugged into and reporting the frantic lives of the moderators followed by “ we deleted the offending posts” as though the intention is to ensure nobody is allowed to know/see the facts…… and do you really think or feel your alleged crimes there warrant being raised to the status “ achievement unlocked” …. i remember the days no too far in the past when achievement was still generally something to strive for….. and i do intend to continue posting there 😉

I have no ill will towards PW community and the owner, it really is a microcosm of the real world, i am thankful for the public platform he provides FoC which i intend to continue using but …… what up with alla that banning melodrama?

Drew-r

MacMacMac MBiG If Pete14 uses the secret / incognito mode, as I do, he can of course continue to read PW.

Note that you don't need incognito mode. You just need to log out. If the PW site won't let you log out, then just delete all pianoworld.com cookies. Voila.

Would you please spell it out a bit more …. are you saying the banned are not allowed to even read at PW? This suggests they are monitoring IPAddrs, cookies or other embedded finger prints , which might be called for if we were Snowden wannabes, but we’re talking a garden variety web forum here, not the Pentagon ….. ? what, exactly, is incognito mode?

Monoch

Drew-r My guess is that it is because making the whole banning process public would invoke all sorts of discussion and comments from other members, as is evident from both the thread on PW as the forum here. This I suppose is unwanted and takes endless time from the mods, so some form of autocracy is to be expected when moderating.

Ralphiano

Monoch

I think this is correct.

CyberGene

I remember that when I was banned, the forum would only show a blank page because I was banned but logged in. The solution is to log out after which the forum is readable because it's also public 🙂 I don't remember whether you can actually log out when banned but in that case just delete the cookie for PW in the browser and reload the forum. Or open a private tab.

MacMacMac

Drew-r Would you please spell it out a bit more …. are you saying the banned are not allowed to even read at PW? This suggests they are monitoring IPAddrs, cookies or other embedded finger prints , which might be called for if we were Snowden wannabes, but we’re talking a garden variety web forum here, not the Pentagon ….. ? what, exactly, is incognito mode?

Your login at just about any web site is recorded by your browser in a cookie ... in the form of an encrypted code. The browser records it when asked to by the web site. So, whenever you visit a site, any prior cookies left by that site are sent to the site. That includes your I-am-logged-in-here cookie.

So if I was logged into PW (I was) and then banned (I was), then on my next visit the web site knows who I am and responds accordingly. Since I'm banned it replies with a "you are banned".

Whenever I log out (any web site) the I-am-logged-in-here cookie is deleted. In my case I manually deleted the PW cookies. So on my next visit I was able to view normally ... but not logged in. So I have no preference settings, and I have no identity there.

Incognito mode is available in some (most?) browsers. In this mode the use of cookies is restricted ... so you remain relatively anonymous. There are more details that I omit ... but being retired I just don't much care for techie stuff anymore. I was something like a CyberGene in my younger days. Now I'm more like grandpa in a rocking chair. 🙂

theodorn

Drew-r While this is for anyone to answer I want to ask the multi-offender PW ex-cons if they know or at least have a good feel for - why all the cloak & dagger drama with how banning goes down ….

I have no problem with the moderators not writing a report for all to read, about why this or that member was banned.

What bothers me, is when the banned one gets no explanation, no prior warning, and no chance to contact the moderators, as to why he was banned, as CyberGene explained was the case with him, two times.

You can read about it in the Heads-up thread at Piano World.

MacMacMac

Like CyberGene, I, too, am two-time banned.

I've been reading that heads-up thread on PW. Opinions are split on this affair. But I get a sense that many there are unhappy about the situation.

Regardless ... I prefer to forget about it. I'm enjoying this forum more than PW. So I'm here to stay, and there no more.

mmatthew

I'm glad to be here. I'm unhappy about the bans on PW because the explanation that the posts were off-topic and that a ban was warranted - isn't satisfactory enough for me. As a forum of adult members, I believe we can steer ourselves back on track as a community - which we have done on several threads (that Clavinova thread comes to mind.)

I'm also tired of the archaic architecture of PW - I'd prefer a contemporary solution like we have here.

MacMacMac

You said it!

mmatthew I'd prefer a contemporary solution like we have here.

MBiG

This is how it looks. Banned....😞😞😞

MBiG

😉😉🍺🍺🍺

bSharpCyclist

mmatthew - Usable on a mobile phone! I create an account just to say that ;0

MacMacMac

MBiG This is how it looks. Banned....😞😞😞

There's no need for the sad faces.

I got the same message that you got.
Regarding the off-topic rules, it says If you feel as though you can't comply, don't bother coming back.
Well ... I don't feel that I can comply, so I won't be coming back.

CyberGene

bSharpCyclist Usable on a mobile phone! I create an account just to say that

Actually this has been my main motivation to start researching forum software because I've complained so much on PW. I chose this forum software exactly because it looks and feels so good one on mobile. But what is more, I installed an extension that would automatically follow the day/night mode of my iPhone and Mac and would automatically switch between the light and dark theme. I'm so happy with Flarum!

Deleted

MBiG Are you even able to read the rules while banned?

David B

MBiG

That seems condescending and spiteful.

It's how some parents (not me) might talk to a misbehaving child. It's not professional or courteous at all. Two qualities that should be present in this context when dealing with adults. SMH.

God bless,
David

Tyr

MBiG

The king has spoken and the unworthy have to kneel. It is crazy how detached the moderation is.

/spit

CyberGene

In all fairness, I believe this is a template because my ban for off topic from a year ago had the same wording if I remember correctly.

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